
Tom Chivers
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Aug 31, 2026
Black Box: episode 6 – Shut it down?
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Michael SafiHOST
But why would a broom know that? The broom just does exactly what you tell it, and so would an AI.

Tom ChiversGUEST
Just seems mad, but it's 'cause we have human brains with human values and human philosophies and, you know, all these things which it simply doesn't have.

Tom ChiversGUEST
The sort of fundamental idea of AI, of AI risk is that the AI will do exactly what you tell it to do, and that it can only do exactly what you tell it to.

Michael SafiHOST
So maybe you're thinking, "Okay, that's not great, but why don't we just give it an off switch? If the AI starts to get a bit crazy, pull the plug, turn it off." But Eliezer and others say, "No, that wouldn't work."

Tom ChiversGUEST
So if the AI has reason to think that you will be coming to switch it off, then it will take steps to avoid that.
BBC Investigative Journalism, and Cuts to Programming
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So I checked back in with Dr Chivers to see if he now thought the BBC was at the stage where audiences would really notice those cuts.

Tom ChiversGUEST
I think, as you say, given that this has been a 15, 16 year long process of significantly reduced public funding leading to quite significant cuts in the BBC, we are reaching now almost the end of the road for what the BBC can reasonably cut without having a direct impact on the day-to-day listening and viewing experience for audiences.

Tom ChiversGUEST
For a long time, the BBC tried to bear a lot of these cuts through kinds of efficiency savings, backroom changes in management, swapping services around, moving things from here to there.

Tom ChiversGUEST
But it was quite obvious, even from back in 2010 and 2015, when these first few rounds of cuts were put in, that there would very quickly be very little fat left for the BBC to cut, and it would have to eventually land on programmes, services and content that audiences rely on.

Tom ChiversGUEST
So what we're seeing in these cuts is the BBC, and to some extent Matt Britton perhaps, making a statement on which services and which content they feel they can cut first, and maybe even which audiences they think they can bear outrage and disappointment from more so than others.

Tom ChiversGUEST
So the fact that these cuts are landing first on news, I think makes a bit of a statement, quite a revealing statement, about where Matt Britton's priorities might lie in which services and content he sees as a priority for the BBC.
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Are we sure that people who are engaging with the BBC content but on social media platforms are actually paying the licence fee or indeed even understand that they should be paying the licence fee for that kind of content? There's a
