And I want to ask y'all, what did each of you want to show about the tension between old school control and the younger hunger?

Ooh.

Well, I think the youth in this show, the younger group of guys, they grew up in the kind of late 60s, 70s, a bit more of a rebellious time.

And that was pretty fun to play, this kind of slight rock and roll attitude of that era.

And against this, I don't, it's not even, it's hard to use the word like stuffy kind of ways of doing things because of the line of work that they're in.

But just that real rebellion against the way that business for lack of a better word, is done, and trying to change things around.

The subplots being the ones that are anything that's not these two

are the subplots.

And that's definitely part of what drew.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, you're absolutely right.

Within the first two seconds, I had an idea of who Jimmy was.

And then I just, I, every time I turned the page, I was learning more and more.

And, Tom, would you agree, especially because we don't have to deal with cell phones and screen time and tablets?

I was going to say, you know, the fascinating thing is when I'm your age and the period will be now or it'll be the 2000s.

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This, I mean, it w- the truthful thing is after, after leaving Grantchester, I wasn't even...

I was on a three-year contract for that.

And so I just, I stayed because I loved it, because I found my family.

Like that m- it was the m- it was the most heartbreaking decision leaving.

There's a scene where me and Robson are saying goodbye in that show, and we're crying or at least trying to stop ourselves crying as much as we were in reality.

Like w- I, I, it was like leaving a relationship that you j- you just...

Mm-hmm.

in following Eamon's orders.

Like he's, he's, he's been steadfast i- in his loyalty to, to, to Sweeney, to this, this kind of, this kind of family, this surrogate family that he's, that he's got around him of these people who he's, you know, a lot of them he's grown up with, gone to school with, the people, um, that are part of his gang, and he'd protect them with his, his life and, and, and Sweeney as well is, is a kind of surrogate father figure to him who he's looked up to s- as long as he can really remember, and he didn't have a father figure who, to look up to so, you know, Sweeney comes along and becomes that.

And as you'll see in, in, in the season it's, um, that does get tested in- incredibly quickly and incredibly brutally, and it makes the season...

It makes this character who's kind of been an idealist and, and really, you know, despite the kind of maybe, uh, morally, morally gray things that he does has, has tried to have a moral code within that, and it gets broken, and that kind of starts to break him.

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... because you know that they're make believe, but you're playing... and, and also you're playing someone who's not bothered by, by this as much.

Sometimes to a certain degree.

There are some of the things that we do that are, you know, quite distasteful that even push our kind of limits as a character, but you're playing someone who's not bothered by the sight of blood or, or shooting someone.

Like, what was your way into that? Especially as his character is with someone who, I mean, there's a dichotomy between the Irish and the Irish-Americans, but yeah, like, how did you find your way into Jimmy? And I guess in the kind of tradition of Irish-American gangster reluctant heroes, there's so many, but you had to, like, do your own one.

Well, you're right, because, of course, there's, like, you know, Michael Corleone is a big reluctant, you know, he doesn't want to take over the family, but is forced into doing it, and With this, I mean, if there was anything I kind of looked at in terms of maybe slight research was Miller's Crossing, the Coen Brothers film.

There was a kind of reluctant partnership that is different to ours, but there was something there.

Because, you know, I've never been in a gang, only for a very short amount of time before we were all jailed.

I wasn't in a gang.

No, I wasn't.

But you go at it like you do with any role.

But I think

What was the hang like, um, o- on this show compared to the Grantchester hang?

You know what? It w- it was pretty similar, and I think that was really im- you know, because when I left Grantchester, that was, that was a family, and it was the saddest thing.

But it was a necessary thing.

I'd been in there for, like, seven years.

Yeah.

And again, you go onto a new show, and you're like, "The bar's been set pretty high." But this w- this felt like a new family, like, it really did.

Like, it, you know, we would...

Yeah, I th- I, I think it did.