in wrestling, in sports entertainment, for both of you, can you remember situations where you're supposed to be so joyous and so excited about something, but there's so much shit that internally has hit the fan or that people don't know about or that you've got a kayfabe or you've got to lie about or just smile and act like everything is fine? When I say all of this, is there a specific time that comes to mind to either one of you that maybe you haven't talked about a lot in interviews?

Tom.

So you use the word politics.

And I think my mind went right to politics.

Okay.

So to give you a quick story of myself, when I was hired in WWF, Dave Meltzer's kayfabe sheet the week before, I was so excited.

It was a dream come true.

What do you attribute killing that vibe? Both of you.

He was hostile

...

I said, "Brother." I said, "You won't remember this, me, but I remember you." I said, "1980-say-six.

Uh, Mario Savoldi, IWCCW in, in Maine." And I named like a half dozen of the guys or, or more that were there.

And I said, I said, "The one thing I remember about you after 40 years, we're in the room doing promos, and everybody was starving 'cause we were in there all day.

So somebody went out and bought a bag of McDonald's.

And I look over, and I'm like, 'Eh, Idol's just throwing the best part away, the burger and everything in...' I mean, the, uh, the bun and, and, and everything else in the bun.

Right.