And like I say, de-risking projects, which for you from a banking perspective makes their role very important, I'm sure.

Yes.

When the market was initially opened up, what we're seeing was that the private generators that we were funding, they were entering into bilateral agreements with certain mines.

And this process was slow and cumbersome because a mine is not necessarily versed in contracting for long-term electricity and a generator is not necessarily being efficient.

by looking for multiple customers.

Their efficiency comes from the ability to permit, get the project constructed, get it to financial close and get it operational.

So it is efficient that they have an intermediary, which is this aggregator that they can contract to as the generator.

This is what's needed to move the dial, right? This is where Nedbank makes a difference and participates.