I'm curious your thoughts about this executive legislative branch tension and your experience navigating it.

Mark, first, I think all of the comments from Christine and Pat really resonate.

Legislators and executive branch are not starting on the same plane in terms of where they're going.

coming at the program.

Legislators are asked to be an expert on a thousand issues a day and to make important decisions on those issues.

And this is not in any way a criticism.

There's just not the time or the capacity to be able to understand the program at the level that the experts in the agency have.

What would you do to build on what Christine said about advice to fellow directors who are perhaps newly embarking on relationships with policymakers?

Why did you take Dr. Eggleston's case?

You know, uh, there were a lot of reasons.

First, uh, I've, I've represented, uh, Doc's son for 18 years on a case, uh, that, uh, we're still fighting.

And, and so Doc and I have became friends over the years.

And when he came and asked me if I would be willing to defend him, uh, my first thought was, I don't know anything about, uh, about fighting the medical commission.

And just out of sheer happenstance, about, uh, two weeks before Doc contacted me, a friend of mine who is a trial lawyer who represents doctors around the nation had called me and said, "Will you help me represent a doctor against the Wash- Washington Medical Commission?" And so I just happened to have just been exposed to that area of law, and, uh-...

for my whole life.

What's happening now? What are the next steps? Where do we wanna see this land?