But do you find that it's helpful to incentivize employees in any way? Does that kind of grease the wheels?

Yeah.

No, I mean, a lot of the clients that we're seeing come on, they'll have dual options.

Right.

So they'll have a national network option.

Then they'll do a reference based pricing option.

And obviously it's priced to try and steer the utilization to that reference based pricing plan.

And while you may as an employer pay a premium to have that DPC as a component of your plan, in the long run, if you're partnering with the right advisor and you have the right TPA, that small investment can pay huge dividends.