You know,

what a, what a sort of meeting Karen always.

I'd only been in the police for two and a half years when Karen passed away.

So I was still new.

I was still green.

I was still, you know, wearing the uniform, walking the beat type thing.

Just doing all the, you know, trainee type stuff.

the detectives and he gets charged

How long into being a police officer did your world shift?

Yeah.

Well, I, I joined the police when I was 23.

Um, a couple of years later, uh, maybe a year and a half later, I, um, uh, uh, I met a girl and I was living down the Gold Coast in Surf- near Surfers Paradise.

And, um, you know, things moved very quickly.

Moved in with her, and she lived in a, a lovely hinterland house out, um, you know, overlooking, uh, the Gold Coast.

And, um, she had a, she just had a failed marriage and, um, and a, a, a three-year-old little boy who would sort of be at our place every now and then, and then obviously stay with the dad every, every now and then as well.

Would you mind sharing that story?

Yeah

... you know, I want to try and...

I want to get her back.

It was so coiled underneath with the electrical cord, how it gets rubbery, and I couldn't move it.

I needed a third hand, but I wasn't gonna ask Clark.

So I thought, okay, what am I gonna do? I'm looking around, there's nothing.

So I had to slowly just put her down, and that didn't feel good either.

Yeah.

Do you want to tell us a bit about the book and what's actually involved? Or tell us the stories involved with the book.

Yeah, so the story goes is, you know, everything was really good.

You know, I was loving being in the cops.

Down the Gold Coast was so much fun.

It was bloody...

There were so many characters and I learned so much.

And I sort of...

So it's hard