we started well todd started one of the original quasi outlaw um what would you describe it how would you describe it

well i actually pete it's funny that we're on the phone today i just left avalan charlie davidson wow and i thought i just left one of the biggest used car dealers in the country.

And these guys still operate like a used car dealer.

I mean, we didn't even get out of the car, and they were on us.

Like a cheap suit.

Like a cheap suit, exactly.

But, no, what we had, Pete, was very unique back in the day, I think 2007-2008.

He snored.