They control a lot of the power.

And they know ...

I mean, on the one hand it's good that they know what's happened and what's worked and hasn't worked, but on the same token, if you're, you know, if you're four years into your term, you're still kinda just learning the lobby, you know, legislator.

Is there any-

I've known, I've known Frank for almost 40 years.

And, uh, this guy works his tail off, and he is a man of the people.

I mean, I know when he was in the legislature, and I covered a lot of it when I was with the public broadcasting, they would make fun of him.

They would try to screw this legislation.