Mm-hmm.

And, uh, he, he came on and did a talk about, um, male factor infertility issues, and one of the things he was talking about this particular day was, um, varicoceles and some of the symptoms that men can have, such as dull aches in their testicles, um, a lump that's visible, um, almost like a kind of bag of worms as it's described.

And, um, I was sat there nodding away thinking, "This is me.

This, this feels, this is, feels like our scenario." Our embryos were dying off very quickly like he explained could happen.

Um, and we didn't have any answers as to what our fertility treatment was at the time.

So I thought, "Do you know what? I need to go and see this guy and have a physical examination and some further investigative tests." So I popped along to Jonathan Ramsey, um, just a few weeks later actually, and, um, within about five minutes of talking to him and him observing me, he said, "Look, you've got clearly a varicocele present, um, but let's do the other tests just to kind of quantify everything and make sure that, you know, we know what we're working with." And I got those results back very quick.

Um, and very quickly, the, the compass from my wife turned straight to me as the issue the whole time.

And how did it feel when you learned that, as you said, the compass had shifted towards you and that it was your issue?

We're gonna claim that

... we'll claim it.

Um, yeah, so it's a bit of a strange link really.

Um, I went through six years of fertility treatment myself.

Um, I'm here as a patient, um, someone that really cares for the industry that helping couples out with, with fertility issues.

Um, during my fertility journey, I really struggled mentally.

Um, I did the normal guy thing, head in the sand, deal with it later, I'll just focus on my wife and make sure she's okay.

[laughs]

We're gonna claim that

... we'll claim it.

Um, yeah, so it's a bit of a strange link really.

Um, I went through six years of fertility treatment myself.

Um, I'm here as a patient, um, someone that really cares for the industry that helping couples out with, with fertility issues.

Um, during my fertility journey, I really struggled mentally.

Um, I did the normal guy thing, head in the sand, deal with it later.

[laughs]