I got a question then, Toby, is since we're doing a podcast to healthcare professionals about organ donation, why is this important that we learn about the process? Or is it important at all other than making sure that we check that box off on our DMV registration [chuckles]?

Well, I think there are a number of reasons it's important.

On a personal level, it's important that you've talked to your people.

Whether you've checked the box on the DMV or you haven't checked the box, I think what's most important is that your people know how you feel about organ donation.

'Cause I met with families who had made the decision, and I talked with some who had not, whose person had made the decision and, and elected it.

And those are really different conversations, actually, and different feelings emerge.

So what's really important, I think, is that you've talked to your people.

I wonder, Toby, if you could talk about, you know, what-- and then we can go to Nicole and Sam, about the, the parallels, what you, what you saw was parallel, and what we could learn from people who were having these intense conversations.