And where did it start? When was the first time you remember nature making you deeply feel something?

So I used to like, I'm like complete London babe.

So I did spend a little bit of time in nature as a kid, but nothing like to the extent of which I do now.

It's not like necessarily something that I always did as a kid.

But my sort of like love affair with nature started from a place of grieving actually.

And it was when I was about 28 and I, essentially like lost all of my immediate family in like a very short space of time and I started kind of erratically going out into really extreme environments like I don't know who I thought I was but like it was a way of sort of running away from everything but I didn't realize it was actually sort of like becoming my biggest healing tool spending time in like quite extreme environments like I hiked around the Grand Canyon on my own for like five days, which was absolutely mental.

Like river crossings, rattlesnakes, like the whole thing.

Yeah.