That's a good question.

It is a good question.

I would understand if somebody was like, well, this is a documentary, it's not eligible.

I don't know how the rules of this work.

but one thing that i can say is that both times that i saw it when she finally walks into like the recreation of nathan visiting her in jail she like does that sort of tippy toe hug and there's a shot over his shoulder onto her face and both times that i saw it my mind had completely melded the two people together in that when I was looking at her, I was looking at Elizabeth Holmes in a way that I can't describe.

And so in that sense, it would make sense that somebody would or that I would.

And I do think there is a level to this of, yes, it's a documentary film, But there's also the sort of meta conversation around it of, Yeah, it's a documentary, but they are cutting from the real Nathan Fielder outside walking into the jail to the recreation of the jail, and that is how a movie works.

I mean, Tim, you are working on one of the few shows it feels like is actually shooting in Los Angeles these days.

Like, windows

up, kids.

Windows up.

I'm putting the child lock on them.

Yeah.

No, but I do think there is something to that idea of as we get older, we understand that like when – whatever, when you're in your 20s, you're like, oh, no, all of this stuff is going to be available to me all the time.

Like the idea of like all of these human experiences are going to be available to me.

Abe Lincoln ever on your radar? Was someone ever like you look just like Abe Lincoln? Like, was that ever a thing for you?

It's a little

emotional, right? Yeah.

My dad passed away maybe two and a half months ago.

And as I was like going, we were going through old pictures.

This picture of my dad and my mom and a friend.

There it is.

I had a friend's wedding in the 1970s.

And you were shocked to find out that a certain musician is still a big fan of Veep.

that was a harsh ending but it depends on the show because like on Veep you wouldn't have felt that

Right? There were times.

I remember one specific time on Veep and it was the season where I was being molested.

And this was like a benefit of like the rehearsal process that we had, that there was this moment that I was supposed to reveal that I'm being molested and the people that I was with were supposed to hear it.

And the joke was that they're hearing it.

And then also more and more people are being revealed in the room on the phone that I'm saying it to.

You know what I mean? So you think it's one person and then somebody else is there.

really mad, but he has the ring and punches

That, that's interesting.

And maybe it was because I was...

I think I was always so nervous going into those.

I really did try to put everybody in the best position, and there was always this thing of, like, if I was running commercial casting sessions and you ended up seeing me in a commercial, there was always this...

Sometimes there was a thing of like, "Well, you guys are all fucking-"

Yeah.

And certainly there are bullies out there, and certainly, like, I, I think a broader understanding is, is out there.

But I do want...

[laughs]

And so it was like, "Oh, why do I always feel like that in auditions?" Mm-hmm.

And it was like, oh, turns out.

It, to me, it's just like all of the things that I, that I d- I like just doing the thing.

Yeah.

And I know that, like of course I know it's part of the job, and I've gotta get better at it, and I have gotten better at it.

But it's like talking myself out of the nerves has always been a challenge.

How did, uh, Nobody Wants This kind of come to you? How did that happen?

No, I'm terribly

sorry.

Tim with a chance to steal.

I want to say that it's the mother with the hat, only because I want to make sure that on this NPR show, the mother with the hat is said so many times that it makes the national public radio audience unhappy.

But I think I am going to go God of Carnage because, and this is based on nothing, I assume that I feel like James Gandolfini was in that production, and so I think maybe it was one of those ones where like, oh, we're gonna get this insane cast for this four-person show, and Gandolfini's gonna be in it, and it's gonna be, maybe he was in the movie.

I could be wrong about this.

Well, I know I'm wrong about this.

First, tell us why you know and love the TV show The Wire.

And I'm fine if it is.

No.

It, I, I think it's been nothing but a help because I think, like, the, the things that are great about it are that hyperfocus is a, hyperfocus is like a comorbidity of it, which means that it, I think I can find it pretty easily to hyperfocus on something, which then also means, like, feel like I generally, when things get chaotic, I'm like, "Yeah, all right.

This all seems normal to me." Everything is all chaos, and that's fine.

That's what it normally is like.

And then when you have, like, the sort of chaos of set, and then it's all, like, then everything has to get quiet, and y- everything has to all of a sudden stop, and then they, like, actually now have to shoot something.

Like, to be able to, like, sort of hyperfocus on that moment and block out all the other stuff is actually something that I'm, I think, pretty good at just because it is-

How, did you get to rehearse lines and sit around and-

Mm

...

I, I wonder if it was...

When he's basically eats the strawberry and he, and she's like, "I thought you were, I thought you were allergic" and he was like, "I'm past all that." There was a moment in Winners where somebody says to me, "Uh, you're not wearing shoes" and I, I just say, "I'm done with shoes."

Yeah.

And in that moment, he just shoved them all together, and they all locked into place.

Like, it, it was like I kind of didn't really get the movie.

That moment happens, and now everything has been perfectly clear, and I loved that part about it, how, like, it kept me guessing, and then all of a sudden he just fucking locked it in so hard and then was like, "Here are the fucking credits." It is a really brilliant-

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, yeah.

Well, probably like that was like prime Tiger, like all of a sudden it was like cr- it w- it was like insane and fun to watch-

Yeah

... golf.

And so like we all got into it, and we would like go mess around on courses.

[laughs]

[laughs] It's like Going Places.

"Has a few aspects of this, but also have you ever seen Going Places?" [laughs] Because, uh, now like it, the content is up for discussion, but there is no denying that I think this movie might have one of the funniest ru- edit runner I've ever seen of these two men approaching a situation.

Like, the director puts all the elements together of something that's happening, and then it smash cuts to them running away while the event is like the-

Yeah.

And it is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

And you can't believe that you go through this movie...

I think the magic trick of this thing is that these are two of the worst people you've ever seen, and yet they are not really portrayed as heroes, but they are sympathetic, or you are empathetic to them.

Like, you, you, you find yourselves wanting, you find yourself wanting them to do better and they don't.

Penetrate former Alexander-

So apparently by Jeopardy! rules, if the first word is plural, the second word has to be plural, and I was furious.

And then it just became like a, we had, like, you know, a bunch of people over to house, over to the house to watch it, and it became a running joke in our group, in our group of friends in the neighborhood, including that, like, there was like a, a white elephant party around Christmas that year.

Somebody had gotten, had made a tote bag with Bohr's pore on it.

See terms at discover.com/creditcard.

discover.com/creditcard.Do you also do this thing? Like, I watched that show last night, and I am like, "God, I gotta work on my posture." Do you also do this? Like, do you, whenever you actually see yourse- like, you're like, "Ah, [beep], is that what I actually look like?" And I noticed that when I was writing down my answer, I had decided to, like, bend at a 90-degree angle at the waist.

So, Tim, maybe I'll toss it to you for our bowl case, if you will.

You know, I think, again, this is one that I've only seen one time.

I think I'm going to need to go and watch it again to get my arms around it.

I think, you know, when I look at like just their movies, for me, it sits behind Good Time and Uncut Gems.

I didn't like it as much as I liked those.

But I do...

I think what I do love about this is like the fucking audacity of everything that they do and the high energy of everything they do.

watching it 10 more times and you probably could see it 10 different ways based on your your mood and what's going on in your own life and i'm sure there's just a lot to i think a movie like that is so craftfully artfully made that i i'm guessing everything is deeply intentional about that ending to uh leave it open to a million different yeah you know opportunities for interpretation

How's it going for you?

It's going great.

Like, I have really wonderful kids who are, they are good-hearted.

They are kind.

And I think we, to Pat, mostly my wife and a little bit myself on the back, I think we've done thus far a good job.

Yeah.

But I mean, they're 13.

You're dancing for your

Exactly.

I thank you very much for the compliment.

I will say that while not taking any abilities that I might have out of the equation, I think I found myself in the best possible circumstance for me to contribute in that not having a lot of experience, it being a very, like, non-traditional show.

There's a lot of experience you're stepping into.

I will also say that I was lucky in that when I was going through the audition process and I didn't really know a lot of arms work, but as I... through the audition process, went back to start watching it, I did have some confidence in that I was like, "Oh, this is exactly the shit that I feel like I'm good at." Not that I know a lot, but I feel like I know this world.

Even if it takes me a little while, I feel like I'm in a wheelhouse that I kind of understand.