So another initial question for you about what you do, about you as a professional, how did you become interested in football? I would love to hear the back story.

Yeah, so I started off as a child.

Most children love football, the sport.

I played a few other sports as well.

I like badminton, I like tennis, I played cricket at school, but football was the one that really took my passion and my attention.

I played at various levels with friends and within teams, but it was really when I got to university, I started to think about my career and what I wanted to do as I got older and I did a degree in business management so I actually didn't go down the conventional route of sports science or physical education I went down the business route because I always felt I would either work in business or I was hoping to work in football and when I was in the graduation hall somebody was giving a speech and that's when it hit me and I said okay I wouldn't want to push myself in football but I didn't know how I was going to do it I didn't have anyone in the family that had a previous experience so I sort of Started working like sort of a normal nine to five job within media.

And then I started doing my coaching badges on the side.

I would love to hear if you can share the experience itself.

... hard about doing those things?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think like every job, you have difficulty.

I think with coaching, first of all, the most difficult thing is, um, you developing your career as time goes on.

So you start off, you have a real idea, but what you first have to do is understand what age group works best for you.

Uh, because, you know, you get coaches that are really good with young kids, coaches that are good with, you know, middle-aged, and some that are really good with adults.

It's why, why does that exist?