I would love to hear your perspective on why, like what's significant about the way PAC started and what can we learn from that beginning?

Sure.

I think based on my reading of the documents and also the people I've interacted with, I'm not that old, but I'm old enough to know people like Roy Sano and Paul Nagano and James Chuck.

These folks were all people in ministry.

Their primary calling was to serve the Asian American people that they were called to minister to.

So when PACS started, it came at a time when Many of them who were trained, they were all trained in typical mainline Protestant seminaries that were leading and talking about neo-orthodox theology influenced by Barth and Niebuhr.

So the language of faith that they had was all inherited from that neo-orthodox approach, which is very similar to evangelicalism, right? So the stereotype that these are all liberals is kind of, we need to unpack that a little bit.

That's