seat?

Yeah.

So now we got to get into my work because I started disassociating at the age of eight.

I was sexually abused at eight and um humans are so resilient especially little kids we survive so much stuff that people can't even comprehend um obviously i don't have language for this i don't have nomenclature for this at the time um But the way I was able to survive my sexual abuse, because it happened for like a six-month period of time, I disassociated.

I just went away in my little head.

I just, I'm going to be playing baseball after this, or I'm going to be playing Nintendo after this.

You know what I mean? I'm going to have mom's spaghetti with the little, the little snossages, weenies in it.

And with that calibration, it makes me rethink rejoicing in such a way that it's got to become one of my top habits in this season of life.

What made you turn to the weekend?

weekend?I'd been working with the National Archives for a while to sort of uncovering all these extraordinary images with those Chucky Uie books and, um, the Motel book and, uh, there was this sort of broad range of photos and it, it kept...

What really was ch- really striking for me was that there's, there are these photos from people from the past doing, you know, everyday things and having a great time and you start thinking, "What am I...

These people probably don't even know these photos were taken of them." And then, you know, all these people will suddenly pick up the book and go, "Oh, that's Dad fishing in 1985." Or, you know, there's a, there's a, there's this amazing photo of this guy in Tamworth in 1983.

He's got a Casio watch on, he's got an aqua, he's got an aqua shirt on, uh, and he's got a Big M in his hand.

He's got a sausage in a, in a bread roll in the other hand, and he's smoking at the same time.

Are they?

And I think kids instinctively today f- know they, they feel the pull of old-fashioned things or things that, you know, they will take themselves away from screens so I think we've gotta give them some credit for that and, and the, the rise in the popularity of fishing I think has been an...

Where you at?

I'm in 2 Corinthians chapter number 12.

This never ceases to amaze me.

Um, 2 Corin- 2 Corinthians 12:8, this is, uh, Tree of Life.

"I pleaded with the Lord three times about this, that it might leave me, but he said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness.' Therefore, I will boast all the more gladly in my weaknesses so that the power of Messiah may dwell in me.

For Messiah's sake then, I delight in weaknesses and insults and distresses, in persecutions, in calamities, for when I am weak, then I am strong." All right.

Now, in most Bibles, the response is in red.

Been there

really busy, really urgent phone call that you've got to take.

Yeah.

Or...

You know, I like the parents, but it's a lot.

It's a lot of parents.

It's a lot of parents.

They ask me to emcee things, like clubs that are involved.

you say you went and had a look at the National Archives, is that just something that everyone can do?

If you look at, you know, getting back to your perfect storm analogy that Gawain obviously doesn't like, but it is a bit of a storm, when you get back to that, what are the most important factors in that storm that damage Farage more than the others?

It's hard to disentangle them all because you can't really, you can't necessarily do that without some very detailed polling work and some detailed kind of focus groups.

But I would say the biggest change has been, I think, the question around that donation and whether that's really a fair enough thing to have accepted the five million quid.

Um, and then Andy Burnham's arrival on the scene, I think, is the other huge, huge change that we've seen in recent weeks, and they really have made a difference.

I mean, Politico's po- polling partners at Public First, we had a poll out a few days ago looking at Nigel Farage's approval rating, and it, and among the general public it's down five points from net minus 16 to net minus 21.

And then if you look at 2024 Conservative voters who are a, I'm sure, key target group of interest to Reform UK, it's down even further.

It's down 15 points, so three times as big a fall, um, over that same sort of period from- from May to the end of, uh, the end of, uh, July.

So what's going on there, and how much is, is that a problem for Nigel Farage and his party?

Mm

... with scripture, 'cause it's just better than anything else, right? All right, so, um, yeah, I understand, but it's lonely at the top 'cause nobody can identify with the pressures that I have, Preston, as another pastor in ministry.

The people that I have are not on my level.

You know, I'm a CEO of a multimillion dollar, uh, corporation.

We got 1,100 employees, employees.

You know, this war is going on.

Y- y- you know, our profit margins have dropped by 25%.

Yeah.

We need more people for defense and development, and today that population is coming to us

In terms of our Australian identity, it was all put together and we really didn't have much more than saying we're an Anglo country.

A- and that's what we stood for.

And then there's this idea that, hang on a second, we couldn't get as many Poms to move here as we wanted to, so we had to g- get them from East as well.

So we, "Oh, we've got Germans coming here.

We've got Italians and Greeks," and that doesn't fly, so they come up with this nebulous idea of the Australian way of life.

If we try to hold onto the Australian way of life, and a big part of that is the move to the suburbs.

Yeah, exactly.

This woman.

"And while I was in my prayer room, I saw a vision of an angel coming down holding a baby.

And when I said, 'Whose baby is, is this?' The angel said, 'It's yours and his name is Timothy.'" My father had just knocked on the door to come visit.

He had just taken a bus, got off the bus, knocked on the door of her apartment, walked in.

She's weeping.

And he's like, "Baby, what's wrong?" And he goes...

She goes, "I just got visited by an angel, and she, and the angel told me I was gonna have a baby boy and his name is Timothy.

Yep.

Beautiful

...

it, it's gonna bring up some emotions, b- but I hope we get to just the, the start of where healing begins, and that's with breaking the silence.

So this book is 20 chapters, and it's broken into 10, in two sections, 'cause I'm, I don't have time for no complicated stuff, right? So the first 10 chapters are under the, uh, uh, header of Breaking The Silence, and I, and I just walk you through what it's like to break silence.

And then the second part of the book, 'cause th- that is the most important thing, is to actually break the silence.

And then you move into where the real healing begins, which is safety and stabilization, um, remembering, and then integration.

So I wanna start with, um, the breaking the silence journey and what that looks like.

Mm

Yeah

... did us dirty." 'Cause I, I think I was more hurt when I found out it happened to him than it happening to me.

So, like, we just got the Ginsu knives out, out the, out the drawer, and, and they had, like, a welcome home party for him.

And we were like, "Come on into the street." And I've said this once before, and I had some dudes, um, uh, think that I, I was, like, out of my mind, but I w- I, I couldn't start sticking him until, like, I knew he knew why he was getting stuck.

You know what I mean? Like, I didn't...

I had to look him in the eye like, "You know what you did, right?" And I couldn't see it in his eyes.

Now, whether it was real there or not, I, I wouldn't be sitting with y'all right now-

Absolutely.

Yeah

... did us dirty." 'Cause I, I think I was more hurt when I found out it happened to him than it happening to me.

So, like, we just got the Ginsu knives out, out the, out the drawer, and, and they had, like, a welcome home party for him.

And we were like, "Come on into the street." And I've said this once before, and I had some dudes, um, um, uh, think that I, I was, like, out of my mind, but I w- I ha- I couldn't start sticking him until, like, I knew he knew why he was getting stuck.

You know what I mean? Like, I didn't...

I had to look him in the eye, like, "You know what you did, right?" And I couldn't see it in his eyes.

Now whether it was real there or not, I, I wouldn't be sitting with y'all right now, 'cause I'd have been doing time, and probably woulda never left LA.

Absolutely.

Right

... like I, I, I just think, I just think we, we, we cannibalize each other for our own self-righteousness.

Um, there's a lot of stuff I see in the church world that I'm like, "Ew." I'm not gonna bring attention to it on my platform because the people that are there wanna grow in their relationship with God and get over their trauma, right? That's what The Basement's all about.

Um, w- why, why would I point them in the direction of somebody that's not gonna be good for them? Why would I even put it on their radar? Uh, I thought one of the amusing side effects of, uh, the cancellations or the people saying stuff is there were some actual pretty emotionally intelligent people that were like, "Well, you said all this about him.

Let me go check him out." You know, past the 90 seconds.

And then they were like, "Oh, I love this guy.

Thank you." [laughs] So I, I feel like, I feel like when you have peace, you only be- you only wanna be around peace.

Wow

Do you feel like you got that feeling there, or is this something that's special that only happens overseas? [laughs]

Oh, no.

I mean, I, I love every city in this country for different reasons.

And, um, you know, I always think about the, say, the city of Melbourne.

And on a personal...

Every time I walk through the streets of, of the city, they're full of the stories of my father because when I was a kid, we'd go up to see my uncle who was the dentist, and, you know, I'd get my- Teeth filled and then, but on the way, we'd have, you know, we'd walk up to the building, and Dad'd tell me about when he was a kid, he'd go to this place and this place, and what that building was.

And so they- they're so em- the- the memories that are so embedded in- in those buildings.

[laughs]

Okay.

Yeah, it was absolutely hilarious.

I'm, I'm a former standup comic, so I understand comedy satire, and the fact that, um, for decades, uh, comedians and sketch comedians have looked at the church and found its, its idiosyncrasies and its hypocrisies and called them out.

We're going all the way back to the 60s with Flip Wilson, Richard Pryor in the 70s, the classic one from Arsenio Hall in Coming to America, David Alan Grier in Martin.

So this is not new.

Drewski just had the biggest budget.

... what do you just say to people in the church that are be- are offended by it?

It gives us an opportunity to look at within, right? I mean, anytime you see satire, it is exposing a truth that gives us the opportunity to address those perceptions.

Yeah.

I mean, I think it's really important to, to think that there's a lot of talk about multi-generational homes and, and there'd be so many people listening now who have got children in their 20s who are still living at home, and, and they're happy to have them at home.

Uh, so f- that was what we've always done, and this is, this experiment in isolation is a, a post-1948 sort of phenomenon where we moved everyone out to the suburbs and away from our family units, and we've been missing it ever since.

Um, and so one of the things that actually keeps us close to our community and our family is multi-generational h- housing.

But some of our, our sort of regulations hasn't caught up to that, and there's this great movement happening out of Adelaide where the- they're saying, "Well, why can't ...

Let's make it easier to turn existing homes on big blocks into not just two-bedroom homes or t- uh, two, two, two two-household homes in terms of having the o- the old-fashioned granny flat.

But so why can't it, why can't you have three separate homes there? Like, why can't we turn a garage into a one-bedroom unit that can be used for one of the kids? And, and, and you move through the house as t- time goes on because we all, I think, want to be much closer to our families than we certainly did when I was a kid.

If you love what you're seeing here or what you're hearing about or experiencing, what do you hope people are trying to emulate, if not just sort of what throw rug to buy?

Shawnaire.

Shawnaire? I love you.

[laughing] Um, okay, so I gotta give y'all context to this very, very quickly, um, before I answer this question.

So, um, I started a, um, business with my friend, uh, and business partner in, uh, t- late 2023.

We started this company and, uh, by January of '25, I had to depart from the company.

And I was very angry.

Uh, it was, it was very hurtful the way we had to, uh, go our separate ways.

Right

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Wow.

Wow.

I did not want to do that.

And then I kept being invited to speak, and it's been that way for 29 and a half years.

Can you talk about that as well? 'Cause I think in church you, you n- you hear a lot about faith, and purpose, and, you know, alignment, but people don't talk about the heaviness of alignment, and purpose, and, you know, walking a path.