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"... you know, have morning tea and talk about how we're gonna magically solve the problems." And then we leave it three hours, you know, less and with, without any, any real momentum forward.

Um, what did I do? Look, I do think that there are some universal truths out there.

Um, so where there is an element of you just have to keep putting in the work.

Um, and there are some tried and true measures, um, and tried and true practices that you can do.

I think there was an element that we knew that the work was gonna come, and we knew that we were going to get there.

And we knew that because if you, if we did the work, it was gonna come, and that's quite vague.

It's-