Talk me through how that happened.

Diploma in Business should be working in a cafe.

Or at least, like, not just working, but, like, owning a cafe.

It is mind-blowing what I learnt at this cafe.

So essentially I was a little bit lost after I came back from Vietnam.

Um, didn't have much going for me, didn't know what I wanted to do next, and was just sort of floating around.

My brother was quite similar, doing some IT stuff, and Dad sort of had sold out of a successful company and was sort of looking for his next thing, and we all sort of said, "Why don't we all get a cafe?" No experience except for my nightclub hospitality experience [laughs] in Vietnam, you know? Like, besides that, um, we all had none really.

And what did it take to get there? How did you start getting your yeses?