What are some of the stories that stay with you that we can all learn from?

So I think it's probably important when we're thinking about children to recognize that it's children of all ages that are affected by family and domestic violence.

We know that there are particular points in a child's life where violence is more likely to occur.

For me, from a research point of view, you know, being quite challenged by, you know, stats that show that often in the first year of a child's life, that's where, you know, violence kind of escalates and, you know.

So we kind of think, oh, you know, parenthood's all about protecting and, and what have you, but we know that many children in their first thousand days are exposed to that violence and that even l- little ones are totally attuned to what's going on, that we see levels of anxiety with kids and challenges with attachment and the like as we go through.

Most of my work with children and young people, both as a practitioner but more so recently as a researcher, has been, you know, five to six-year-olds up to, you know, 25 or so.

And I sort of flagged before that one of the messages that we've had time and time again of, of children feeling invisible, and I remember talking to a young woman in Adelaide, she was 15 or 16, who talk...

How do you break through that fear, the taboo, the darkness, the, oh gosh, no, this is nothing to do with me, wanting to look away? How do you stop doing that and start becoming a better, a better adult?

What types of what would you say to convey what a chief of staff is and the benefit that you've had from having one?

Well, I would say that in many ways, the chief of staff is the key partner to the CEO to communicate the vision across the company and align all the departments to work together.

And in many ways, they are the proxy that is the vision.

And so what I feel defines what Natalie does many times is she is me in the room when I'm not there.

And when you have that kind of relationship, it really allows you to scale what you do as a CEO.

And so it is a vital position.

Most people don't realize they need it till it's almost a little bit too late.

How do you work out the different roles and responsibility and your communication with Natalie?