Tell me about it.

Well, particularly one thing.

Like I'm passionate about setting objectives.

Now, of course, we do set objectives.

We have strategy.

But I don't think we're always good in the church world of having those KPIs clearly defined, and then measuring performance against those KPIs.

And like I was in a job, uh, an entrepreneurial leader, a CEO that I worked alongside with, and it was my job every day, and I had to learn from him, of measuring how many leads we had every day and working out the cost per acquisition.

What's your advice for that young man, young woman right now?