And how did you both get involved?

My involvement with the foundation started when I was granted, I was the first recipient of the Ed Markham Colgrave scholarship, and that contributed to my travels to the USA.

I had one year in the USA learning about the horticultural industry over there.

Then when I came back and got into the business, just settled into the industry, I suppose, I got a bit settled in, a bit involved in other aspects of the industry.

And then a few years later, the chairman at the time gave me a call and sort of guilt tripped me and said, you know, we've given you some money.

It's about time you gave something back.

So I was invited onto the board.

And just thinking about your, you said you did a year in America?