Talk to me about that a little bit, or maybe this project and maybe in other projects too.

Yeah, well, it's quite hand in glove.

So it's, you can do quite a lot of different approaches, you know, from working with multiple builders, tendering, negotiating, community surveying and stuff like that.

This is our kind of, in general, preferred approach.

If you're working with a builder from where you go, so what would happen then on a project like this is we'd go through the brief and the budget and Nick would be in those meetings with the clients as well up front, which is quite important.

And then separately, me and him would catch up and go, okay, well, what I'm thinking on this house, we're going to have to dig in.

We're going to have to dig in a basement.

You're trying to put yourself out of work essentially is what you're doing here.