How do you counter that argument?

Well, first thing I'd say is that the world is always a dangerous place.

I mean, I served through the whole of the Cold War with the threat of what we then used to call mutually assured destruction and the real danger of nuclear exchange.

Thankfully, that never happened.

But the world has always been a dangerous place in that sense.

But the nature of that danger, I think, has changed.

In those days, we genuinely believed the Warsaw Pact would move across what was then the inner German border into Western Germany and drive towards France and, you know, take over Western Europe.

and the Chancellor's not willing, you start to question whether actually leadership is the issue.

Um, take us through from a military point of view, what could actually be done to keep the Strait of Hormuz open? Or, or is it impossible for, for international forces to do anything?

No, I don't think it's impossible.

Uh, I should say good evening.

Um, I don't think it's impossible.

Let me just comment on a couple of things in, in from your introduction.

And firstly, you know, I, I think President Trump f- we, we've just got-- we can't push him to one side, but the irony of a, of a Japanese sitting next to him while he's talking about NATO, of course, Japan's not part of NATO, and the trick is in the title.

It's a North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Yes