And so I think the major focus of that has been accelerating, right? But one of the things that Tim and I have discussed at great length, and we're trying to work with our customers on what that actually means is it doesn't just stop from the spec to the PR, right? So how do you close that loop from a value sense? How does that actually come back to the product? And that's why we talk about the two closed loops and they're both equally important and they need to feed off of each other.

Definitely agree.

And I think what's interesting is that they're optimizing completely different ways, right? I think from the beginning of software development, we've always wanted to sort of industrialize software development.

That's kind of been difficult because most of the time we're actually creating something that's new and novel.

But I think now, especially with AI and some of the insights that we get from agent traces and things like that, we can be explicit about these two loops, where actually, you know what? We do actually want to create a software factory or a dark factory.

And we do actually want to industrialize things that are concrete and deterministic.

But there's a lot of software development that is not concrete and deterministic.

Not in this ecosystem, right? And I think even on the smallest sense, you can actually start collapsing that a bit in this agentic framework and really collaborate a lot more given you can have a shared context with the agents.