Yeah, interestingly

enough, at the time that I did that, and the role has changed a little bit.

I think you're a good example of that.

the CISO in a startup kind of in a, in a modern technology company.

But at the time, um, CISOs were kind of in their lane, right.

And, uh, they didn't get out and talk and talk to vendors, talk to other people.

Um, it wasn't as, as big of a thing, uh, back when I was a CISO at, um, at health stream.

How do you build trust? Is there a magic lesson that you've got for the world on building trust?

What are you seeing?

I think the number one thing that I still see a lot is prioritization being an issue.

And this is where you're getting to the most boring show that you've done.

But when I go into a customer, whether they're doing a POV, whether they're an existing customer, it doesn't really matter.

they're struggling with kind of the alert overload.

And I'll say that's probably even outside of the security team, right? It's like, we as security people, depending on your organization, we're good at throwing things across the wall to the DevOps, the engineers, to the cloud team, whatever it happens to be.

And everybody seems to be just drowning in alerts and you don't know what to fix first, right? And the problem becomes that when you live in that state, that's when like the really important things that you should be focusing on they get mixed in with all of the ones that maybe aren't as important because they're not externally facing.

I'm concerned because so much of cyber hinges on this at least being addressed reasonably.