How did you handle that like day after day, month after month, knowing that the next time that you stepped into the doctor's office, the news might not be as expected and here you go again?

Yeah, I mean, I do think there are some parallels, you know, because, you know, there is this existential threat that's kind of lurking and ever-present, you know, and...

For me, the real turning point was around acceptance of mortality.

We can all say it, that everyone we know and have ever known is going to end up underground.

It's worm food or however you want to put it.

Most of us go around as if that's not the case.

I feel like it's a bit of a club you join when you've had this really visceral confrontation with mortality.

So, yeah, if you could just share a bit about what you've been up to since the book came out and how that's been going and who you've been able to reach and the feedback you've been able to have.

Mate, tell us about as much or as little as you want beginning in 2015 when you got a diagnosis.

Yeah, sure.

I mean, I'm really happy or comfortable talking about it.

I've done a fair bit of talking about it over the years, but yeah, I'd recently turned 50.

I had a pretty dream life.

I was married with a couple of beautiful kids.

You know, 2011, we'd pulled the kids out of school and traveled around Australia for a year, you know, towing a caravan, like life was really good.

your meds protocol,