Okay.

Um, but, um, not at that time.

Um, Lizard was one of my favorite bands.

And I, when I met Yao through, I think it was through those guys, maybe.

um he you know david knew that i was uh i would always play david a couple songs here and there and he'd say i don't know about that or you know he knew i would i wanted to work with him at some point but uh um i guess the shutter to think drummer was was on the first ep i joined the band as soon as the record was done so i was there for that i guess that from their beginning of their live performances okay but um john schmerschel had from Brainiac, had done the guitar parts on that record.

And with a secret tuning that I had to figure out, it was really hard, hard to figure out.

And then basically, as I think it went down, is that Juan said, the bass player said, we had two bass players, one of the bass players said, we need another guy, you know, another vocalist to make this work.

and