So if you can provide a few sort of details as to how that would work out, what would be those new revenue streams? So firstly, you know, the relationship between international and local NGOs, and then secondly in terms of diversifying the, the revenue bit.

I think firstly, let me kinda just reflect on what you said, right, in terms of how, um, aid coming in and working with international INGOs and, um, civil society organization, local NGOs on the ground, there has always been that issue where, you know, INGOs are getting a huge chunk of funding, and only, like, less than 1% is going to local [laughs] organizations.

I think this has been, um, a challenge for many years, and a lot of people have been speaking out on it.

It, it is very unjust 'cause a lot of people on the ground are doing the work for very little funding.

I think I can, I can speak to a situation where, um, a particular INGO won a huge grant, um, from a foundation of about $1 million, and then they were giving small grants to community-based organizations in different countries between 5 to 10,000, you know, dollars.

And then you see their salary where the ED of this big INGO is getting 100,000 annually, you know, but the people on the ground are the do- are the ones doing most of the work.

And even with that 5, 10,000 seed money you're getting, only 5% can be in direct costs, you know, going to your overhead.

So could you highlight for my listeners what really works in terms of promoting women's rights?