If we do wanna try to engage with the school in a way that is more positive and more likely to lead to good outcomes for attendance, what are the kinds of things that we could be doing or suggesting that might actually work, that might help?

So some of the things our community lived experience suggests [laughs] is that collaborative problem-solving is very helpful.

But before we do that, we really need to have a really good understanding of what the problems are that the student's experiencing, what the stresses are, what are the barriers that the student's experiencing.

I think we also need to remember, we need to be mindful of the journey of distress and where the child is at in their journey of recovery as well.

Because we know that a student who is early, in the early stages of being distressed about attending school, you can identify the problems, find solutions for those problems, and that kid's gonna respond really well to [laughs] intervention and be able to be repatriated back into school attendance.

But a child who's been distressed for a long time, and often they have been distressed a long time by the time they stop being able to go to school, that's like the, the last very end stage sign of distress.

That's, "I can no longer do this.

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