I, I've certainly worked with therapists myself over the years, yeah.

Um, uh, and I, and I, I have one, and I have had several, okay? So I...

And I say this, um, through the experience of knowing how I got to where I am.

Why am I even interested in this work, right? I, I am a, I am a coach.

I'm a leadership coach, and my career has been zigzagging through different industries, um, all in this vein of helping leaders take care of their people.

But I've been doing that for a long time.

I was doing that before I could work.

Tia, last words?