Mm.

So the times when I have begun to have a panic attack but managed not to is when, for example, my mum has been there and she's given me ice to suck and she's given me my dog to hold and she's wrapped a blanket around, around me.

That's one example of when I managed to not peak, [laughs] and I managed to come back to Earth.

So for me, what has helped is having, like, physical things that ground you, like sticking your face in a, a, a bowl of ice water or eating sour candy or, like, that kind of thing that just...

I don't know, like, the physical sensation I think brings you back to Earth a little bit.

But it's such, like, a confusing thing, anxiety is, for, like, you of course, but also for the people around you because it's really hard to explain what intense anxiety feels like if, if, if you just...

if someone hasn't experienced it.

Hmm.

describe Alice, who you play?

I would describe her as someone who has been deeply, deeply betrayed and cast aside and her like one purpose in life is to seek justice for how she's been treated.

She's angry and really, really motivated to do good and to seek change.

But I think that

what I'm...

What I think of when I think of making this film was like the incredible effort from the cast and from the crew, but also from the background actors.

They really like, I don't know, they were a huge, huge part of this film and did fantastic, fantastic work.

And I really leant on them, I think, when it came to who Ellis was.

... of the story.

It was full on.

It was, it was a big undertaking to shoot.

It wasn't a huge budget, um, directed by Mona Fastvold and co-written by Brady Corbet, both of whom did The Brutalist, which came out a couple years ago now.

Um, so they're fantastic filmmakers, and, and they really champion, uh, indie films.

Um, uh, so filming The Testament of Anne Lee was, similarly to The Bu- Brutalist, a, a huge undertaking.

It was really, like, quite grand, um, but not on a very grand budget.

And, um, was the research process intense for that, or was it more did you do it on feel or did you go deep on her life?