They're used for very different things as well.

Yeah, they are.

But I think that the market dynamics seems to be almost like what you see on social media.

Then comes TikTok and makes a lot of money on the short reels.

Then Instagram copies that because they can see that's meta money.

Then Facebook, another part of meta, copies that as well.

So everyone wants to have one now because they can see what works in the market and those in the same sort of... line of business.

What would you have pointed to, Thomas?

Oh.

Well, well, well, it, I mean, in, in a, in a, in a context of work, because that, that's the primary objective after all, well, well, then, then the aim seems to be to, um, to exclude ourselves from that fear and say, "We, we don't have to do it anymore because machines will do it for us, AI and, and robotics in, in this mixture, you know, all kinds of automation." And, and I mean, to some degree, I share that, that dream, dangerous work, work that, that we, we do not have enough human workforce to, to do fine if we have machinery to help us.

But, but my dream, if I can point to- towards what I, what I would see as a positive scenario would be that, okay, so, so if we succeed on certain parameters to make human work, um, well, not needed anymore, w- what will be the new scarcity then?

Mm-hmm.

I simply think it's a wrong turn, a- and, and I, and I, I just, I regret it so much.

I mean, they want to believe us that, that, that they, that they'd make our friends, uh, that you can be friends with an AI model.

But what, what is a friend? Well, a friend, that's someone you can trust with your secrets, right? It's some- someone that wants the best for you, and that will tell you when you're wrong, and it is someone who likes to spend their valuable time on you, right? So, so, so what is an AI model? Well, it's not something you can trust because it shares your data unless you do a great effort to avoid it.

Um, does it want the best for you? No, it wants you to stay online as much as possible.

So you're in a sense phrasing it, uh, as a, as a way to kind of go upstream on the question, not making specific policy recommendations per se, but being able to get some clarity on what it is we're talking about in essence.

Well, at, at least that's a place to start, uh, because, because when, when, when people come out and say that, um, "Take it easy.

This is not a big deal.

We've had technology before," I said, "Yes, we had, and that's fine, but we just-- we should, uh, be aware that technology shapes the way we think." So okay, if a calculator makes you, uh, well, affects your skills in calculation and a GPS affects your skills in finding your way around, what if we get a technology that does not only, uh, calculate for you, doesn't-- that does not only find your way around, but that sort of thinks for you? How does that affect you? And I'm not saying that then we are not able to think when we use ChatGPT.

But if we take it in a school context, whi-which is very, very common, uh, and use it for writing, then it would be naive to think that if we use a machine for writing, that we will still be able to, to, to write.

I mean, I'm not saying that we are gonna lose that ability completely because you have to write in order to make a prompt.

But, uh, but the, but the practice of writing, the hard practice, the hard work of learning how to express what you think in language, in written language, that's a skill that takes a lot of practice.

Mm-hmm.