Um, it got into the, the headlines, and that's really not what we're seeing here at all.

Yeah.

For sure.

Absolutely correct.

Uh, I completely agree.

And indeed, I think what we see today is this weird contradiction play out that the United States in particular, but the same really applies in, uh, European countries, uh, is a harder target than it was in 2016 or 2020.

Harder target bec- because more journalists are aware, they cover disinformation, they watch out for it.

but it was very thought-provoking.

Um, it got into the, the headlines, and that's really not what we're seeing here at all.

Yeah, for sure.

Absolutely correct.

Uh, I completely agree.

And indeed, I think what we see today is this weird contradiction play out that the United States in particular, but the same really applies in, uh, European countries, uh, is a harder target than it was in 2016 or 2020.

Harder target becf- because more journalists are aware.

They cover disinformation.

but it was very thought-provoking.

Are foreign adversaries able to hack into Signal?

I think it's important here to be very specific.

Technically, the attorney general is correct that so far, we have no, uh, precedent of an adversary ever hacking into, um, Signal as a platform, as far as I'm aware of.

However, Signal is sitting on your phone, on just commercially available phones like iPhones and Android devices.

We have many examples of these phones getting hacked.

Um, and of course, we shouldn't assume that high-value targets like, for example, the vice president, or the secretary of defense, or the national security adviser, that their phones are targeted by some of the most capable adversaries.

So, their phones are vulnerable.

But I wanna ask you, do you have a sense of how seriously the federal government, uh, str- structure, employees in the federal government, have been taking that warning about Signal? Is it common for people to use it or do you feel like there's a culture of not using those apps?