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You- that is in the range of 100, 110 systolic, and, uh ...

but it matters, uh, you know, first of all, uh, at what age we are and what we, uh, call normal blood pressure and what we call therapeutic targets.

So imagine if you have had a blood pressure of 150 over 90 for a couple years, then there is als- already changes in your vasculature, and it has been shown that if you lower blood pressure too low in these people, that there may be actually untoward effects, the so-called J curve.

That, uh, means that the optimal blood pressure is then rather in the range of 120 to 130 over 80.

And so currently the guidelines of the Americans, uh, are a bit stricter than the ones on the, um, of the, uh, uh, um, Europeans.

But in general, 120 over 80 is optimal.

But before that, could you just very briefly, Thomas, tell us how does hypertension develop? What is actually happening when the blood pressure is elevating?

Tell us everything,

Tom.

You know, I think I...

The digital transformation of medicine and cardiology in particular is fascinating and also very important.

And the ESC wants to take the lead there.

And so I made this topic a major topic of my mandate.

And so we started to Of course, implement AI with our employees and the heart house.

Do you want to talk about that a little bit?