Mm-hmm

... and the natural way is right doesn't actually accommodate the, both the scientific knowledge, the state of scientific knowledge today and the reality that we live in a microbial world.

We're guests in the world of vir- uh, of bacteria and viruses.

Uh, and we should remember that and, and, you know, um, do our best to, to accommodate ourselves to the fact that we will encounter pathogens.

Uh, so that's, that's the wrong side of it.

The bad side of it is the argument, again there from, uh, very early on in the history of vaccines, uh, certainly there at the very beginning of the first, of the tr- you know, when the first true vaccine against smallpox was invented and disseminated at the very end of the, of the 18th century, beginning of the 19th century.

Uh, people said, you know, "It's bad.

How do we alleviate any of this?