Yeah.

Nowadays, you would call it agile.

Um, but back then it was more kind of like, hey, I make that person accountable for both the ops and also transforming it with technology.

But, uh, we've moved quite a far way since then.

I mean, my typical day, probably a third communication direction setting, just repeating the why and the what over and over again.

We are a large organization.

Um, we've moved towards, uh, managing the companies with a objective key results logic on a quarterly basis.

So what are the core ideas you're hoping leaders in the room walk away with in these two talks?