Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's my first meeting with Will was back in 2017.

I then I was at college in Charleston, South Carolina, which is and the other Carolina below North Carolina.

So I moved to Hickory where Will's church in 2019 hosted a regional retreat for So that's where I got reintroduced to Holy Trinity Chapel Hill.

Then Your Matter Matters came around in 2024, 2025.

But before that, Will's Church received a grant from Fuller Theological Seminary on science and faith and how do you make that work in ministry.

Or, you know, around a century, you know, mobilizing people with that type of fear, that affective fear, how does it then prime us for this particular moment when that fear means that we can't tolerate a view that diverges with our own?