Really?

No. Fucking cop was sitting beside my trailer the whole day.

[laughs]

No, actually, I think we, I think, uh, [laughs] I think we missed the r- the deadline date.

Has to be.

Now-

Oh, yeah.

Some cases longer than that.

I mean, they were dragging them hundreds of miles.

And special stone.

Uh, I like...

What do you think of this? I, I, this just kind of came to me recently.

You know, times have changed." I disagree.

So 2011 2011.

Yeah.

I, uh, was married for nine something years.

I was getting a divorce, living alone.

Uh, my daughter was, uh, with her mom.

It was summer.

It's probably August, probably about this time of year.

again and then they

What was that like?

I did.

I was, uh, very, um, honored to be invited, and I showed up with bells on, and I worked really hard on my 90-minute presentation.

It was called When Worlds Collide.

And, uh, I w- I worked really hard on it, and I, and I got a great response from the audience.

Uh, so it's very gratifying.

But for me, it was great to be able to meet some of the people that I've been following for several years now, you know? The people that I really admire, like Richard Dolan, um, like, you know, Paul Heineck, um, Steve Bassett, who's b- pretty much spearheading the disclosure movement.

Um, what did you talk about, if I may ask?

But w- how far does your interest go into that realm, and, and what do you think the, the possible applications could be for us if we were to more, be more embracing of it, like as a society?

I think a lot of people eventually have to come around to the consciousness aspect, uh, of the phenomenon.

It, uh, it's multifaceted and unfolds in unexpected ways, and runs really closely into the paranormal and other experiences that people have been reporting over the years.

There seems to be this overlap of what I would call non-local phenomenon.

Um, non-local in that it doesn't s- have, uh, an origin in physical reality.

It's non-local.

You know, the closest we can come to that is thinking about quantum processes.

Right.