Do you think now there is a shared interest of major actors on the international arena in adding this dialogue to deterrence? And if there is such a point of convergence in their interest, is it strong enough to be acted upon?

I would say, uh, we clearly have not yet reached, uh, um, this point of convergence.

Um, this said, I, I think there is an emerging sense that we need, uh, to manage deterrence, that we need to manage distrust, that we need to manage a 5,000-kilometer-long, uh, uh, line of contact between, uh, Russia and the West.

And for this pur- purpose, we need to, uh, reinvigorate a dialogue, you know, starting with, uh, reestablishing, uh, mil-to-mil dialogue with, you know, uh, again, agreeing, uh, to some guidelines on preventing and managing incidents and accidents in the air, um, um, on the sea, uh, on land.

Um, short, we need, uh, again, you know, uh, discussions and eventually agreements on, on military risk reduction.

Uh, I think there is, uh, an emerging sense, you know, that the time has come, uh, to return to that.

Um, again, as long as the war in Ukraine continues, it will be very difficult, you know, to find a, a, a political environment that is enabling enough to, uh, conduct these kinds of discussions, uh, and to agree on these kinds of measures, even though, you know, they would be, uh, very much needed.

Do you think the geopolitical challenges of the present day made the organization irrelevant to a point of no return, or can it still be revived and maybe repurposed to play a productive role even in the worst of times? To put my question simply, do you think the OSCE still can initiate and lead processes of reestablishing security cooperation, whether it's, uh, the military to military dimension that you've mentioned, or broader political dialogue?