... to, to, to when you had moved on or to now, what do you, what, what would you say you helped contribute to, to, to our understanding of-bear biology and bear populations in Florida?

Sure, yeah.

So the Ocala study then launched a statewide study where we were, we were experimenting at first and then figured it out and doing it at scale statewide.

Instead of physically capturing bears like I did for my doctor's work, doctoral degree work, and doing mark recapture on physical captures using, uh, hair snares, basically barb- barbed wire corrals, and using the DNA from hairs captured on the barbs was, it, it was, it, it altered the landscape 'cause you could sample much bigger areas with a lot of work, but a lot less work than capturing.

So we launched the first, uh, statewide bear, uh, population study and over three years sampled a- basically the entire state of Florida where bears were and did really cool modeling on how many bears are out there.

So like in the bear world, what I...

I feel like the, the biggest contribution I had on two fronts, one on the b- on the science biological front of going from, "We don't think there are any bears out there.

I- if you were to describe kinda where, where these tides are going right now or, or perhaps where, where you feel that they need to go in order to, to see these large visions unfold, and you have 30 years of experience getting to see these things unfold, if you were to, to take that step back and, and kind of evaluate where we are right now in conservation in Florida a- and Southeast and beyond, how would you describe it, and where would, where, where do you see us needing to go?