Technically not your first job out of college, but talk to me how you ended up in Page, how you ended up recruiting, what you did there, and maybe reintroduce what Microsoft looked like 11 years ago.

I mean, I fell into recruitment like a lot of people do.

So I, you know, my only jobs before Page were straight out of uni, undergraduate or trainee jobs.

And I was in the insurance industry and I didn't want to do that.

So I was kind of, I was kind of walking around London, applying for jobs and going into recruitment agencies, trying to find something which would be the thing that I would want to do.

And there was a week when I went to, I think, two or three different recruitment agencies for different jobs.

And I had the same experience in every agency where they went, no, no, no, we absolutely can't put you forward to this job.

What are the challenges of really doing this at scale? and beyond the technology to do it? Or is the technology even the first, second, the third thing on your mind?

I would love to learn more and if you can share more about it.

Yeah.

And before I talk about those specific things, I, I would just say that I think the, we have to be very careful about the media reports that talk about entry-level roles and early and professional roles and graduate roles being in crisis and, and disappearing.

Definitely, definitely AI is affecting every job.

That's not, there's no doubt about that.

But I think that there is a rush to, uh, attribute everything to AI, including by companies that are looking for a justification as to why they're, why they're not funding more graduate roles or why they're cutting early and career recruitment.

We can't get away from the fact that we've, we're in sort of two or three years of a really, really unstable, unpredictable world economy.

... recognize skills, match skills? Is there any, uh, anything that you've done that you can share, or do you think it ultimately starts with needing a skills taxonomy, connecting talent to jobs and ultimately to learning? But where do you f- do you feel it all fits together?