When you say elevated, what's that mean?

I think carriers are being selective on what they're hauling.

In corridors, like to Alex's point, he has this predictable business where you have short haul freight, where you have carriers that are willing to contract for the long term.

The lane is fairly guaranteed.

You have, compared to refrigerated freight, Some can be predictable, not always in shorter haul lanes, but if a lot of it's long haul, if you're working with the fleet, they only get one to two turns of a truck that week.

And that's where it gets a little challenging is you pretty much have two opportunities to make your goal for the unit that week.

And I think that's kind of what drives refrigerated freight moving upward compared to dry van freight.

The dense people that are consistent and loyal, their cost is way below market.