So talk about the kind of things besides MS that you're working on and what kind of results you're

seeing.

So in my lifestyle clinics, again, we were able to keep track of who's coming to see us.

Pain was the number one reason that people would come in.

Then autoimmunity, metabolic problems like diabetes, heart disease.

in terms of the types of neurologic problems that people would come in, Parkinson's, myasthenia gravis, cognitive decline, Alzheimer's, of course traumatic brain injury, PTSD, mood disorders.

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safe to eat 18 cups of vegetables? Is it safe to do a stress reducing activity? Is it safe to meditate?

And my chair of medicine, Paul Rothman, had me write a case report up from my own personal story.

And then he called me back in when that was published.

Okay, now we're going to have you do a safety study.

And I said, well, this is outside, this is the type of research field that I'm in.

Yes, I'll get you the mentors.

So he helped with getting the mentors on board, designed the study.

Anybody who knows about the food groups, how that came about was as a way to sell more agricultural products, meat, dairy, grains, vegetables, those were food groups that had nothing to do with science, they had to do with marketing and there is no biological requirement for grains or even dairy.

forbid, you're telling people to eat better.

Yeah, so I got that down and then because I was having such great results, the chief of medicine came in and told me he was pulling me out of primary care and would I open up a clinic where I could practice the way I wanted to practice.

And I said, no, I won't do that and here's why I'm refusing.

You need to get endorsement by the chief of staff and the director of the hospital because we just want to be sure that they know what I'm going to do and that they approve of this.

And so I thought that was probably going to be the end of it.

Two weeks later he came back and said, I have the endorsements, we're

As treatment, it was

therapeutic and you had to be referred in by a physician, could be for a mental health problem, medical problem, so you saw people from all sorts of issues.

In the brain of MRI patients with MS, you see the white lesions, white matter lesions, right?

We analyze total brain volume and for disability, brain volume is much more strongly associated with disability than whether the white matter lesions or acute lesions.

So, we're mostly very, very curious about what happens with brain volume.

Originally I was really disappointed because we still had brain volume loss overall for the group, but brain volume loss in progressive MS occurs much more rapidly, two to three times as rapidly in progressive MS than it does in healthy aging.

we're able to show that our brain volume loss was less than even healthy aging.

So we're protecting our brain to extraordinary levels in that first study.

And so we'll be submitting that for publication in a journal.

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So it's just how it's been set up, and it's about changing that, which is a huge feat, you know?

And, and part of this is that w- w- um, and, and we all are, are guilty of this.

We'd like to have the quick fix.

W- and, and it's hard for us to change our habits.

It's hard for us to change our understanding of the world.

Uh, a- and anyone who's listening here, I, I want you to acknowledge that you have a current understanding of the world.

Uh, and it would be-- it takes a lot of evidence for you to shift your understanding.

So how have you been able to sort of circumvent that or strategies you've had with, with funding your research?

Okay.

I'm in a zero-gravity chair with my knees higher than my nose.

I'd been mentally clear enough to still work and, you know, staff the resident clinic.

In July, my boss calls me in to say, Terry, we're going to assign you to the Schmeich-Brainger Clinic.

You'll start in January.

There won't be any residents.

You'll be examining the patients, writing the notes.

So what is your take on that approach or that idea?

remarkably improved.

Then we did a small randomized controlled study.

Again, we started with progressive MS.

We couldn't quite get enough progressive MS, so we took relapsed remitted MS who needed a cane.

In that group, it's controlled, so we have folks who did not get the intervention, folks who did a paleo diet, folks who did a keto diet.

What we were able to show... is fatigue reduces, quality of life improves, and there's something called a measured disability, which looks at a combination of walking hand and short-term recall.

We're able to show that the intervention, it was stable in terms of the measured disability.

Yes.

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... because I don't want to become disabled.

And I hear the words multiple sclerosis.

I do my research.

I find the very best MS center in the country.

I see their best physician.

I take the newest drugs.

That's wonderful, yeah

There it is.

And so...

Now, that was super interesting.

Then I got that summer, I think it was probably June, the Emma Society tracked me down, got me on the phone.

They wanted to have a wellness conference and wanted me to come.

And I was speaking in New York City that same day as a plenary speaker.

So I said, well, I'm open to this.

Can you explain like how the elimination diet works just in simple terms?

And what does that, what does that mean that for people who have-- What does that mean? Like, does that mean you're, you're in a wheelchair, you can't move, you can't walk?

So it means that I no longer have these acute flares, these relapses.

Instead, there's this-- I'm a little worse every six months.

I'm a little worse, a little worse, a little worse.

So in two thousand and three, I'm in a tilt-recline wheelchair.

By two thousand and seven, I could take a couple steps using two walking sticks.

I cannot sit up in a regular chair like I am now, Mark.

Tell us, tell us what you're finding in the sort of, uh, the next sort of evolution of your work since we've talked to you last.

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And of course, uh, uh, everyone listening here, um, c- cells were, uh, uh, they're very much electrical or, uh, organs.

Uh, uh, most of our cell membranes, uh, work, uh, and communication depends on that charge.

So this is talking to our cell membranes, talking to all of our receptors.

Uh, and in your experience, apparently it's doing h- helpful things as opposed to harmful things.

So, w- um, how, how, how does this PEMF, uh, reduce pain? And, and, and, uh, in your experience, do you have, do you have any, any sense for that?

Uh, we'll tell you what device would be best for you, we'll tell you how to use it, and then we provide you with ongoing support for, for, for you to be able to get the most value out of your equipment.

That sounds, uh, really quite remarkable.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, you can also use Environmental Working Group.

Uh, they have, uh, consumer guides for food, for cleaning products, uh, uh, personal care products.

So you could use that to prioritize.

You could use, um, get conventional food and then take baking soda, a heaping tablespoon in two quarts of water, dissolve the baking soda in the water, soak your, uh, lettuce for 15 minutes.You know, gently swirl it around, then drain, uh, and that will decrease the surface, uh, pesticide considerably.

If you could do organic, you'll probably recover more quickly.

But, again, I want people to know you do less of the harmful stuff, less of the sugar, less of the white flour, more of the good stuff, protein.

Mm-hmm