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Terry Stoops

Terry Stoops

Dr. Terry Stoops is Director of Government Affairs at Defending Education and a longtime K-12 education policy expert, formerly VP for Research at the John Locke Foundation.

Oct 19, 2026

31:36
Talk about that.
31:38
Yes, and sixth overall for West Virginia, really ahead of the pack in its ability to get a lot of these terrible ideologies out of the classroom, really excelling in getting DEI out of the classroom, in ensuring that foreign influence and foreign funding don't infiltrate classrooms.
32:03
making sure that teacher unions are kept at bay and strengthening parental rights.
32:09
Really the only place that West Virginia fell a little short is that it's a state that could really be well served and having stronger policies in keeping biological males out of female sports.
32:24
And there's really a need for policies to remove gender ideology from anti-bullying policies.
32:31
We should just have very general anti-bullying policies that say don't bully other people.
32:37
There's no need to name gender ideologies and create protected classes based on gender ideology.

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46:20
What is it that Kentucky needs to change?
45:48
So between the first and the last, what kind of policies most clearly separate the highest ranked states from the lowest?
45:58
These are policies that state legislatures have implemented to make it clear that gender ideology has no place in the classroom, that schools have a responsibility to inform parents of their children expressing certain expressions of gender ideology at school that make it clear that parents are to be informed of sex education courses, that they have a right to opt out of those courses.
46:32
These are policies related to excluding DEI or diversity, equity, and inclusion from public schools.
46:45
These are policies that enforce parental rights that have a clear statement of what parental rights are for the state.
46:54
Teacher policies, these are states that are mostly right to work states that make sure that they keep teacher unions in check because as we know, teacher unions are the institutions that by far are pushing gender ideology and DEI ideology by far in the states that rank worst in arts rankings.
47:18
So those states that are keeping teacher unions in check are also keeping gender ideology and DEI in check.
47:25
And then states that are keeping the foreign influence and funding in check have explicit policies that make sure that any sort of programs that are implemented under the guise of fellowship programs that China or Russia or other nations are propagating in the United States are held by account and that there's transparency when it comes to those programs.
49:41
All right, so what about the issue of the parents' abilities to review sex education, the parents' ability to decide whether or not their children participate in that type of education? What should our viewers and listeners look for within their own various school districts, the policies? What do they need to look for to kind of protect themselves and their children from these things?
5:52
All right, what, what would it look like in a classroom, say a second grader or a sixth grader or a, uh, senior in high school? What does it look like to them in the classroom when you guys are concerned about indoctrination towards something like teacher union issues?
6:06
issues?Well, absolutely.
6:09
Uh, it is, uh, a curriculum that is, uh, really focused on, uh, what unionism, uh...
6:18
We have seen, for example, curriculum that, uh, uh, focuses on what, uh, uh, unions, uh, champion, what, uh, uh, unions look like, uh, really favorable images of unionism, uh, disparaging images of amazon.com for not being, uh, unions.
6:41
Uh, so, uh, those are the types of things that, uh, we have seen, uh, uh, with regard to union issues, and we know that unions, powerful unions, would do whatever it takes to make sure that, uh, their ideologies are being pushed in the classroom.
6:58
Uh, DEI issues, of course, uh, are something that the teacher unions are, uh, dead set in making sure they are, uh, part and parcel of curricula in the classroom.
7:10
So, uh, you can't really separate what unions are trying to do with, uh, with, with the DEI and the gender ideology because the unions have a vested interest in trying to, uh, make sure that they control the curriculum that's being, uh, pushed in the classroom, and they have been at the forefront of making sure that, uh, they, uh, uh, the, the DEI and the gender ideology are, uh, uh, in the curriculum.
11:05
But, uh, what is it about these bottom five states, and in particular Illinois, uh, that, uh, that's, uh, landing it here at the bottom?
86:48
Your thoughts.
86:50
Yeah, I mean, how many times do we have to have pitiful test scores coming back to tell us just how much of a disaster it was? And the latest test scores that we have that tell us that was a national assessment of educational progress, long-term trend assessment.
87:09
And this is a very unique test that allows us to track the testing results across decades.
87:17
We are able to compare the test results of students going all the way back to the 1970s.
87:24
And this is mainly for nine-year-olds and 13-year-olds.
87:28
And while the nine-year-olds have made some progress because they weren't as affected by COVID as the other students were, the 13-year-old scores were absolute disaster.
87:40
In fact, the 13-year-olds perform at the levels that the 13-year-olds did in 1971.
91:11
What are your thoughts?

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