How do you start with not starting at the Big Bang? The Big Bang, does it create fields? Are fields primary or is matter primary?

Yeah, that's a great question.

Yeah, it seems as if the fields are primary.

Yeah, thank you.

That does seem to be an emergent property of the universe following the Big Bang, so thank you very much.

I probably should have clarified that.

Let's talk about the forces.

But

which is remarkable.

In fact, our DNA test, I think it's a PCR test.

The PCR test, I believe it is.

It basically takes advantage of that property that these molecules want to copy each other.

That's how we're able to do the genetic engineering and the genetic testing we're able to is because these molecules automatically – that's their natural tendency is to want to do that.

But they need energy to do that, and at the time – The energy came from the heat of formation, the internal heat.

Most people have an idea that the internal, that our core of our earth is very hot.

And then I want to go back to my questions about psychedelics, meditation, dreams, etc.

you definitely

don't.

So we get warmed up a little bit, and we introduced a tiny bit on the Fermi Paradox.

And the Fermi Paradox, to restate it, is the difference between our expectation of seeing abundance of life buzzing around and the fact that, yeah, we may see it occasionally.

But SETI is not convinced of that yet.

So they're still waiting for a little bit more compelling evidence that there is intelligent life out there beyond our own earth.

So what is the answer to that? Lots of people over the decades have answered that.

Dr. Terry, let's continue on with our conversation here because I know you had some important points you wanted to make out there in the universe.

about summer vacay.

Right.

So it is an astronomical number.

And I just have to side with the numbers.

I mean, how can you not? There's so many of them.

There's so many possibilities.

And there are so many stars with planets in the so-called Goldilocks zone, and we will definitely talk about that for sure, that there has to be – even if you just shrink that down a lot, there has to be other habitable planets.

So do you think that some of these civilizations may have been able to skip some of these steps that we had to take here because of maybe their environment on their planet?

Yeah.

And this is actually what prompted, I did not prompt, pardon me, I didn't begin by writing a book on the Fermi paradox.

That came later.

My intent was to write a book about energy.

And its limitations.

Because I think it's just wildly misunderstood.

And understandably because it's a complex idea.

I mean, you know, of a sort.

Do you envision beyond that or what's on your path beyond that for us as a civilization?

I love that.

We're going to talk about nuclear fusion because that's a very important part of I honestly believe and I'm not going to go as far because I'm pretty comfortable with the Adair hypothesis that you need to have some sort of energy available for advanced civilization.

to get to where we are and beyond.

I'm very comfortable with that.

Whether absolutely nuclear fusion will have to play our role, I'm pretty confident that it will.

And then an absolute, I believe, is nuclear fusion.

I'd love to just have you define the Adair hypothesis.

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No, no, that's good because that, that, that lays a good foundation and gives us a, you know, it's a fertile soil to, to, to, to work with, and, uh, we're gonna, I'm gonna dive right into that.

Um, I wrote my book, Where Are the Little Green Men?, addressing the Fermi paradox, and I know that you and your, your audience is probably very familiar with that already.

Um, but for those of you who are kinda heard a little bit and maybe not quite sure what it means, it's the same paradox we all have.

Because we've all looked at the nighttime sky and seen the thousands and thousands of stars around us, you can't look up there and not wonder if we're alone or not.

I mean, that's just natural.

So this isn't a new idea.

That's true

Okay.

And so that's not, that's not a, that's not beneficial for us, right? Uh, 'cause we already know that when we have satellites in space and there's gonna be a, uh, a sun ray burst, we have to protect that equipment from the, the harmful high-energy waves.

So we can't use that to convert that into work.

So what do we have to work with? We have the two things, one that nature figured out and one that we figured out, and those are the visible light rays and the approximate 400 nanometers to 700 nanometers.

And it's not a coincidence that photosynthesis occurs in that wavelength because that's the s- the, speaking of Goldilocks, that's the Goldilocks energetic wave from which you can take the energy and use it and convert it into useful work or in chemical production in, uh, the, from the, in terms of photosynthesis.

The reason that works is because the, the photons will elevate or excite the energy of the electron, and that can create an electrical current.

We take advantage of that with our solar panels.

Do you believe that these could be energetic creatures, again, we're dealing in energy, that they could be dimensional travelers or that they are time travelers? And I'll let you expound from there.

barrel of informational data.

So the answer is that every technology, everything that ET knows, they had to make these same decisions.

Do we have the money? Do we have the energy to get that next bit of information? Obviously, energy is not just sitting around, right? And so are there other more exotic forms? My answer to that is plasma drive is pretty darn exotic.

But plasma, there's not a river of plasma somewhere.

Plasma must be created by some other type of energy.

It's the fourth state of matter.

And so you have to have more energy available to you than you're going to get out of your propulsion system if you have a plasma drive.

It only takes that to learn that bit of energy to actually produce us to go even further.

It's, if that was, if energy was free for the taking, then, you know, Wyclef, the Tesla's Wyclef would be a little bit more of a reality, wouldn't it? Yeah.

Yeah.

There's a sense, even Nikola Tesla kind of, sort of seeded that flower bed that the idea that you can just extract energy out of the air right and and there's this idea that that can be done and the truth is that there's an abundance of intelligence and imagination and creativity but there's not an abundance of energy the universe in its entirety has a lot of energy but it's very diffuse so if you look at how spread out and i will talk about a little bit more everyone has a sense of it already that this place is gigantic that we're just one planet one sun in a galaxy of hundreds of billions of other suns presumably with similar type of planets But there's two trillion like this throughout the universe.

It's just vast beyond imagination.

So when you focus in on the energy of the sun, yeah, there's a lot of energy.

But it's not just energy free for the taking.

And that's kind of the heart of my book.

considering and that's considering people always go to the the closest star well the well it's a binary system alpha centaur a and b it is four light years away so to send a message even through photons it would be four years there and four years back so the the thing that we've been able to send i think was 1978 where they launched voyager one that has been what 48 years ago or 50 years that you were saying and that is as far as we've been able to send something as thus far so we're just we're still babies we're still we're still babies

Mm.

All stars run the same way based on nuclear fusion.

This isn't burning fusion.

Uh, par- pardon me, this isn't burning hydrogen.

Those are separate processes.

So you...

A lot of people are probably familiar with fu- fusion, hydrogen rather, fuel being used to power a battery ch- or to charge a battery, right, through a fuel cell, or actual combustion, right? You, you put in hydrogen, and it replaces gasoline as the fuel source, because everyone knows if you ignite or combust hydrogenAll you get is water vapor.

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