Yeah.

And I didn't really know ...

And so in, in every trial, I think you're constantly trying to think of, you have to find a protagonist.

You have to find a villain.

I mean, it, it's a story like anything else.

And so I was really trying to figure out, how can we make this into a human story without villainizing him and ensuring that they would understand him from a compassionate point of view? And that's where I just brought in the themes that we all live with every day, which is love and jealousy.

That's what I started with.

Mm-hmm.

What was it like when that video came out?

Yeah, so let me back up a little and then I'll get to that.

But remember, in March of 2024, the feds leaked their search warrant executions on his home.

Yes.

And the show of force on that day was unlike anything else.

I mean, I don't know if you recall the tankers being outside his homes.

I mean, this is home in Homely Hills, a home on Star Island.

What was your primary objective with that opening statement?

Does that make sense?

I think you actually put it quite nicely, Amber.

I like how you put that.

I think come across, I'll go back to the interview, come across as an aggressive interview.

I don't think that it was meant to be on either side.

I think it is hard for people, even my friends and those closest to me, to see what I do and to not kind of be overcome by it and to think that perhaps I'm doing work that is anti-woman or anti-female or anti-victim.

That is not what I do.

[laughs]

So there it's

it's.

I would be happy to say I think Mark is.

Weinstein was his first ever mistrial, certainly on the defense side or hung jury on the defense side where I grew up with you.

And it was like, you know, that's obviously goal is acquittal.

But you it is very.

And I think what this case shows everybody is how difficult it is to get 12 people to agree on not guilty.

This whole concept of the Internet really is.

But the way that the rest of the internet sees it.

No, I was just at my nephew's birthday party and everybody was saying that Patrick killed the kids and she's amazing.

Everybody was saying that.

I feel for her.

I have to say there is you read these journals and you see like the anxiety that she's getting when she's weaning from breastfeeding or how difficult it is when she's sleep training and And I was just telling my husband earlier, like it was so emotional for me when I had to do all of those things and the anxiety that you just can't... explain to anybody who hasn't had to sleep train or hasn't had to kind of hormones just crash the way that you do when you're a new mother.

And even it's unthinkable what happened to these poor children, but we all feel like, for other mothers and how hard it is when you have a child and when your hormones are crashing and you just don't feel like yourself.

And it's so hard.

I get to see them and spend time with them while my poor husband's in the basement doing God knows why I probably should get back to work.

Yeah

... people like to go surface area.

Um, we had tried that case.

It was brought in 2018, tried in 2019, and it kind of gave a new, um, template for how to prosecute a, a male or a m- female actually, because Maxwell.

But it c- got, like, a new template for how to prosecute these m- men who are behaving badly, I should say.

And the Ri- it had, had, like, a RICO aspect to it of charging him, his inner circle as the RICO enterprise.

And Mark, my partner, had been, um, only done R- not only, but mainly done RICO cases at, um, DNJ when he was an AUSA there.

Yeah

But just because people are angry or just because somebody died does not mean it's a criminal case.

Yeah, and it doesn't mean a criminal case needs to be brought.

It's obviously tragic, and it's a tragic, tragic accident.

But it strikes me as a civil case that didn't need to be brought criminally, and it will clearly never happen again.

I mean, this is a remorseful individual.

Was he trashed? So he said that he only had two beers.

The evidence thus far seems pretty clear that he was not intoxicated at all.

I probably would have asked for a mistrial.

So they should be ashamed.

I think we need to set the tone for our ...

Uh, I don't think we've talked about the Harvey trial.

I think we do need to set the tone as to what this trial was, why we're here.

I mean, it's been nine years of hearing about Harvey.

Like, how did we get here? And then I think we can go back.

But I do wanna explain what this trial was in New York and who Jessica is, for those who don't know.

... whatever you wanna call, right.

I'm gonna take the picture down there so we, people can see us better.

So they filed the, he filed the lawsuit under a doe.

So for those who don't know, I'm, I'm really actually not sure ...

I, I think in California you can do that under a doe, but in New York you certainly can.

And then what happens after you file anonymously is there's a briefing as to whether or not before a judge, and the judge will decide whether that person has to be public or not.

But they file the lawsuit, and pretty quickly after the lawsuit's filed, it's, um, it's, like, removed by the, the le- the law firm that filed the lawsuit for-

For some people, they're saying this, there's probably a federal investigation behind it.

Well, if there's chi- the ...