Yeah.

Fear and ignorance.

They're, they're so tangled up in all of that.

And, you know, that was such a huge part of Sara and I's journey as adults, as queer people, as women, but also as artists, was just like trying to transcend people's ignorance.

And, you know, there was a whole trend, like movement language in the early part of the queer, you know, sort of marriage movement, which was if y- you know, like really inspired by Harvey Milk, you know, who used to say if you just knew someone who was gay, that would help you.

Um, what do you two think is the job of the artist? Like, what is an artist's job? What is the, the artist's role in society, in a way?

I mean, for myself, I, I feel, first and foremost, my job is to serve myself.

So, you know, like, I'm on this planet a certain amount of time, and I want my days to look a certain way, and I wanna make things.

sounds, right? How do you do that? How do you look like your record sounds? What does that mean?

Well, in our case, it's always a collaboration, right? It's partly Sarah and I's, you know, natural inherent instincts and style.

But then it's like people like Emmy, you know, like Sarah and Emmy started dating and lived in Montreal.

And it was like the, you know, mid, you know, 2004, 2005, I went to Montreal.

They like literally brought me and got, they were like, we're cutting your hair.

You're going to, and I like walked out of the hair salon and I had like an asymmetrical mullet, you know? Yeah.

people like Toyo, like I said, like bringing a stylist in and spending time with them.

that discussion? How did that go?

The theme is fun and adventure.

adventure.Mm-hmm Okay.

You're like, "Why am I on this month?" [laughs] Well [laughs] No, I'm fun.

Good.

[laughs] Yeah, you're fucking fun.

I have this idea that's not my idea, but, you know, I believe that adults pretty much don't know how to have fun, or aren't allowed to have fun, or forgot to have fun.

Yeah.

Do you think adults are discouraged from having fun?

Yeah.

I think a lot of hate actually comes from just confusion and misunderstanding.

And to me, this book is written in such a way, like Logan wrote it in a way that doesn't feel educational or heavy-handed.

You are not being spoken down to and you are not being told this is how it is to be this type of person or-

Yeah.

You know, as already, a- as I mentioned, day two was a pretty epic day, and I learned a lot and experienced a lot of emotions.

Um, I think probably yesterday when Morgan Book was talking about how this b- how The Cure for Drowning had opened the door for her.

She's, you know, more of a modern romance reader, and that said it opened the door for her to a new genre.