Ted Nordhaus
Executive director of the Breakthrough Institute
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Aug 11, 2026
S8 E9: Ecomodernism vs Degrowth
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Scott TinkerHOST
Uh, Ted, ecomodernism, um, does it require a rethinking of our current economy in the US, or economies that are better? [chuckles]

Ted NordhausGUEST
I mean, I think, you know, what I think, uh, uh, you know, I think it's a feature, or Josh probably thinks it's a bug.

Ted NordhausGUEST
Uh, but I think one of the great things about ecomodernism is that it's pretty plug and play with industrial modernity.

Ted NordhausGUEST
We basically are saying we should be leaning in to these very robust long-term modernization processes, and, you know, we can power all of that increasing energy demand with nuclear energy and also solar.

Ted NordhausGUEST
Those are the two things we identified in the Ecomodernist Manifesto as, as energy, clean energy technologies that are virtually unlimited, and that's a world where people have, you know, more leisure, more surplus, and more opportunities for people to choose their own path without necessarily, uh, sort of destroying all of our natural inheritance in the process.
Ecomodernism vs Degrowth
16:58
17:07
17:13
17:19
17:29
Scott TinkerHOST
Uh, Ted, ecomodernism, um, does it require a rethinking of our current economy in the US or economies that are better or-

Ted NordhausGUEST
I mean, I think, you know, what I think, uh, uh, you know, I think is a feature, Josh probably thinks it's a bug.

Ted NordhausGUEST
Uh, but I think one of the great things about ecomodernism is that it's pretty plug and play with industrial modernity.

Ted NordhausGUEST
We basically are saying we should be leaning into these very robust long-term modernization processes.

Ted NordhausGUEST
And, you know, we can power all of that increasing energy demand with nuclear energy and also solar.