Was there a place where you could go? Was there, uh, did you have to travel to go get training? Was there something close to you? Was something recommended to you? How did you fall into that?

So it's a bit of a weird, a weird one, right? Um, I'll be quick over the story.

Um, one of my first ever jobs, I was, I was 17.

I was working behind the bar at a strip club, so I shouldn't have been there.

It was like a friend of a friend's dad owned the club, so that's why I had the job.

And some, someone came into the, into the, uh, into the club drunk, talking all this about he's a wrestler and, uh, he was like, "Oh, yes, the, it's the hardest training you'll ever do," and all this.

And I just remember being like, "I can do it." [laughs] You know? I was just thinking to myself that, "Yeah, I've got this." Um, and I went down, and it was just like, I used to always say, like, "I wish I cared about something as much as you see people care about, like, certain hobbies and stuff," and then I found wrestling, and now I have that thing, right? Um, but I just remember like, yeah, it wa- it was, it was pretty much instant.

Yeah, yeah.

mom

is like, he's going to live.

But then at the back of my mind is like, Gemma's still doing her exams.

She, she's going to be home like any minute, not know any of this like has happened.

So I then went into, it wasn't even big brother mode.

I literally went into full parental mode to like, mom's been taken care of.

The doctors are doing that.

yeah

so at lead out loud we we bring everything into that concept of leadership so i suppose your journey into leadership has not been what like you might say black and white as how people do it how have you taken a passion turned it into a business and then become a leader as a young person

i think i'll go back to this kind of like the fear i think i i started the podcast just before we went into the pandemic so it was just like the world was just about to change like astronomically and just we didn't know what there was a lot of uncertainty but what that brought to me was a lot of time to really reflect on what I wanted to do, where I wanted to go, where I saw my future.

Because I kind of always did jobs, like I got to a certain level, like I had a background in IT, but I've always had that creative flair.

I've always listened to the radio.

I've always had my headphones in, always gone to gigs and all that kind of stuff, but never had the belief or the confidence to do something about it.

So when the pandemic happened, it was almost like a bit of a blessing in disguise for me because I was like, well, actually...

I've started something, it kind of exploded, which helped kind of validate like what I was doing.

What did you crave from a leader through this journey that you could build into your leadership as you move forward?