What comes first, the chicken or the egg? The melody or the songwriting? For

me... neither uh really for me it's kind of i just start kind of i come up with a hook or or a title that i want to go after you know and that's kind of the path and then i just like i feel like uh it's this you know and kind of start strumming along or or whatever and usually i'm in writing sessions with way better writers and players So I let them kind of start, and I just kind of feed them my ideas.

And I was writing a song, and I'm not name dropping.

I don't do that.

But I was writing a song with Jonathan Cain, the piano player from Journey.

From Journey, yeah.

So we're in his studio.

Let's do it.